REMEMBER HISTORY:
THE USA WAS FOUNDED ON GUN CONTROL!
(Below) The United Nations Headquarters in New York on Gun Control:
SALT LAKE TRIBUNE - Sep 17, 2012
LDS apostle Dallin H. Oaks cautioned Mormons against joining or supporting "Right-wing groups who mistakenly apply prophecies about the last days to promote efforts to form paramilitary or other organizations."
(Notice: NOT Left-wing groups*)
Such groups could "undermine the authority of public officials," Oaks said Sunday at a regional Mormon conference broadcast from the Marriott Center on Brigham Young University’s Provo campus, "in the event of extraordinary emergencies or even in cases of simple disagreement with government policy."
Latter-day Saints should not "substitute [their] own organizations for the political and military authorities put in place by constitutional government and processes," the apostle said.
After all, the LDS Church’s food-storage program is about amassing a year’s supply of food and water, Oaks reminded the thousands watching in the giant arena, NOT "Arms and Ammunition."
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsfaithblog/54913284-180/apostle-lds-oaks-conference.html.csp
(*added)
(Above) LDS GUN FREE ZONE 2004 Document:
NO GUNS IN LDS CHURCHES…
LDS BANNED GUNS ON CHURCH PROPERTY (FEEL SAFE?)(Mass shooters love this law)
VS.
Prophet Joseph Smith:
"While we will be the last to oppress, we will be the last to be driven from our post... Any man who will not fight for his wife and children is a coward and a bastard." (Joseph Smith, journal, 29 Jan. 1843.)
Gun goes off inside (GUN FREE ZONE) Mormon meetinghouse
in Provo; church leader is
recorded urging teenage girls not to spread news
on social media
SALT LAKE TRIBUNE -- 9-17-2018
PROVO, Utah — A 74-year-old
man faces possible charges after his gun went off in a Mormon meetinghouse in
Provo on Sunday, penetrating a wall into a room where church members were
meeting, The Salt Lake Tribune reported Monday.
No one was struck; no one was
injured.
The man “had a .22-caliber
revolver in his backpack.” He was in the vestibule at the entrance to the
church when “the gun went off and the bullet went through the adjoining wall
where young women were meeting.”
Church spokesman Eric Hawkins
said the man had left the gun in his backpack “following target shooting the
previous day,”
an audio recording of an
unidentified church leader encouraging the teenage girls in the ward, or congregation, not to talk about the incident publicly or post anything on social media… “We'd rather have
you not post, 'Hey, a gun went off today at church.' That will hit headline
news and even go national,” said the man. “And then we've really created a
situation that would be hard to control. So I'm asking you nicely to respect
that.”
The Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints, often called the Mormon church,
has a policy that prohibits guns in meetinghouses.
"We
remind members and visitors to our chapels of the church’s policy on firearms:
'Churches are dedicated for the worship of God and as havens from the cares and
concerns of the world. The carrying of lethal weapons, concealed or otherwise,
within their walls is inappropriate
KSL – 7-22-2018 -- One man is
dead and another wounded after the victim was targeted by a shooter during a
sacrament meeting today in an LDS meetinghouse in Fallon, Nevada.
D&C 134:11 “We believe that men should appeal to the civil law for Redress of All Wrongs and Grievances, where personal abuse is inflicted or the Right of Property or Character Infringed, where such laws exist as will protect the same; but we believe that ALL men are justified in Defending Themselves, their Friends, and Property …from the unlawful assaults and encroachments of all persons in times of exigency, where immediate appeal cannot be made to the laws, and relief afforded.”
Brigham Young:
"As for this people fostering to themselves that the day has come for them to sell their guns and ammunition to their enemies, and sit down to sleep in peace, they will find themselves deceived and before they know, they will sleep until they are slain. They have got to carry weapons with them, to be ready to send their enemy to hell cross lots, whether they be Lamanites or mobs who may come to take their lives, or destroy their property. We must be prepared that they dare not come to us in a hostile manner without being assured they will meet a vigorous resistance and ten to one they will meet their grave." ...
"By what means did [God] keep the mob from destroying us? It was by means of being well armed with the weapons of death to send them to hell cross lots. Just so you have got to do. As for this people fostering to themselves that the day has come for them to sell their guns and ammunition to their enemies, and sit down to sleep in peace, they will find themselves deceived, and before they know, they will sleep until they are slain. They have got to carry weapons with them, to be ready to send their enemies to hell cross lots, whether they be Lamanites, or mobs who may come to take their lives, or destroy their property. We must be so prepared that they dare not come to us in a hostile manner without being assured they will meet a vigorous resistance, and ten to one they will meet their grave. ... Let this people here lie down to sleep, and be entirely off their watch, and the first thing they know, they are in the greatest danger. You must not desert the watch tower, but do as I do—keep some person awake in your house all night long, and be ready, at the least tap of the foot, to offer a stout resistance, if it is required. Be rely at any moment to kill twenty of your enemies at least. Let every house be a fort. ... I am my own policeman, and have slept, scores of nights, with my gun and sword by my side, that is, if I slept at all. I am still a policeman. Now is the day to watch. It is as important for me to watch now, as well as pray, as it ever has been since I came into this kingdom. It requires watching, as well as praying men; take turns at it, let some watch while others pray, and then change round, but never let any time pass without a watcher, lest you be overtaken in an hour when you think not; it will come as a thief in the night. Look out for your enemies, for we know not how they will come, and what enemy it will be. Take care of yourselves. ... Take care of your grain, and take care of yourselves, that no enemy come to slay you. Be always on hand to meet them with death, and send them to hell, if they come to you. May God bless you all. Amen."
(Journal of Discourses, Brigham Young, Vol 1, P . 171 - 172, July 31, 1853)
"Let your dwelling house be a perfect fort. From the day I lived where brother Joseph Smith lived, I have been fortified all the time so as to resist twenty men, if they should come to my house in the night, with an intent to molest my family, assault my person, or destroy my property; and I have always been in the habit of sleeping with one eye open, and if I cannot then sufficiently watch, I will get my wife to help me. Let an hostile band of Indians come round my house, and I am good for quite a number of them. If one hundred should come, I calculate that only fifty would be able to go to the next house, and if the Saints there used up the other fifty, the third house would be safe." (Brigham Young, JD 1:167.)
"We all believe that the Lord will fight our battles; but how? Will He do it while we are unconcerned and make no effort whatever for our own safety when an enemy is upon us? If we make no effort to guard our towns, our houses, our cities, our wives and children, will the Lord guard them for us? He will not; but if we pursue the opposite course and strive to help Him to accomplish His designs, then will He fight our battles. We are baptized for the remission of sins; but it would be quite as unreasonable to expect a remission of sins without baptism, as to expect the Lord to fight our battles without our taking every precaution to be prepared to defend ourselves. The Lord requires us to be quite as willing to fight our own battles as to have Him fight them for us. If we are not ready for an enemy when he comes upon us, we have not lived up to the requirements of Him who guides the ship of Zion, or who dictates the affairs of his kingdom." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 11, p. 131, August 1-10, 1865.)
"If you wish to know what you must do hereafter, I will tell you in a few words—keep your powder, and lead, and your guns in good order. Go about your work, plough your fields, work in your mechanic shops, and be ready in the morning, at noon, or in the night, that whenever you are called upon, you can put your hand upon our musket and ammunition at the shortest notice. "Be ye also ready, for in an hour you think not behold the thief comes," and takes away your horse from your stable. ... If you want to know what to do with a thief that you may find stealing, I say kill him on the spot, and never suffer him to commit another iniquity." (Brigham Young, JD 1:108)."
I have one word of counsel for you: in the time of peace prepare for war; when you have an opportunity do not miss it.
You should always have your side arms with you; and be careful not to leave your fire arms so far from you as to lose them or give the enemy an opportunity of laying hold of them." (Brigham Young, CDBY, 17 May 1854.)
"Keep your guns to yourselves. Trust no one; and when you shoot, take a good aim."
(Brigham Young, CDBY, 17 Sept. 1845.)
Heber C. Kimball:
"If you can [spare] five or ten dollars, go and buy a good blanket, a gun, or a sword. And we want you, ladies, to provide yourselves with weapons, and with all that is necessary, and be ready to defend yourselves; for you won't always have your husbands to defend you." (Heber C. Kimball, JD 4:376.)"It is also for your salvation to equip yourselves. ... Now, I will tell you, I have about a hundred shots on hand all the time,—three or four fifteen-shooters, and. three or four revolvers, right in the room where I sleep; and the Devil does not like to sleep there, for he is afraid they will go off half-cocked. If you will lay a bowie knife or a loaded revolver under your pillow every night, you will not have many unpleasant dreams, nor be troubled with the nightmare; for there is nothing that the Devil is so much afraid of as a weapon of death. ... Let us be ready, guns cocked; none of your half-cocked." (Heber C. Kimball, JD 5:164-165.)
"I told you last Sunday to arm yourselves; and if you cannot do it any other way, sell some of your fine bonnets, fine dresses, and buy yourselves a good dirk, a pistol, or some other instrument of war. Arm your boys and arm yourselves universally, and that, too, with the weapons of war; for we may be brought to the test, to see if we will stand up to the line." (Heber C. Kimball, JD 5:162.)
"From henceforth let one and all go forth with one accord and build their forts, wall in their cities and villages, herd and guard their cattle and other property, and keep their guns and ammunition in good order and convenience, ready for instant use." (First Presidency, 30 Mar. 1854, DN 4:10.)
"And again, the Lord (Jesus Christ) has said that: Ye shall defend your families even unto bloodshed." Alma 43:47
Second Amendment - Bearing Arms
A well regulated Militia (The People are the Militia), being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Jesus Christ:
Anything More or Less than the Constitution is EVIL.
(D&C 98:5-7)
http://newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin745.htm
JESUS: THE
LAW OF THE SWORD
My last
two columns which stated that my line in the sand has been drawn and I will NOT
register or surrender my firearms, even if that makes me a lawbreaker (in the
sight of government), have generated multiplied thousands of reader responses.
And while the vast majority of these responses expressed complete agreement,
there were several responses from professing Christians telling me that I was in
violation of Holy Scripture for making such a stand.As one might expect, some of my brethren argued the erroneous “obey-the-government-no-matter-what” interpretation of Romans 13. For the sake of the many new readers of this column, let me point out that my son, constitutional Christian attorney Timothy Baldwin, and I have co-written a pivotal book dealing with this fallacious interpretation of Romans 13 in a book entitled “Romans 13: The True Meaning of Submission.” This book takes the entire Word of God to show that nowhere does the Bible teach (including in Romans 13) that Christians should submit to unlawful government. In fact, just the opposite is taught: Christians often have a duty to RESIST unlawful government.
But perhaps the verse of Scripture that my slightly confused brethren quoted most in their attempt to rebuke me was Matthew 26:52, “Then said Jesus unto him [Simon Peter], Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.” (KJV) This, they said, proves that Christians have no right to keep and bear arms if the government said it was illegal to do so. However, with all due respect, this interpretation is opposed to the overwhelming evidence of Scripture to the contrary.
In the first place, consider what Jesus said just a few moments before making this statement. Just before arriving in the Garden of Gethsemane (where the statement was made to Peter to “put up thy sword”), Jesus told his disciples, “But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.” (Luke 22:36 KJV)
After hearing Jesus’ command, the disciples replied, “Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.” (Luke 22:38 KJV)
Notice that Jesus plainly and emphatically told Simon Peter and the others to arm themselves. So emphatic was Jesus’ command that He told them if they could not afford to purchase a sword they were instructed to sell their clothes if necessary and buy one.
After hearing Jesus’ command to arm themselves, the disciples noted that already two of the disciples were carrying arms. Jesus’ response, “It is enough,” did not mean that only two swords (out of eleven men–Judas Iscariot had already left to betray Christ) was sufficient, for He had plainly commanded EACH MAN to arm himself. He was simply acknowledging that they clearly understood what He had just told them.
Ladies and gentlemen, the First Century Roman sword was the most efficient and lethal personal defense weapon in the world at the time. It is no hyperbole or injustice to language to say that the Roman sword was the First Century equivalent to a modern AR-15 semi-automatic rifle. It was designed to kill swiftly and efficiently. And Jesus commanded His disciples to buy and carry one!
Also note that the same word “sword” that is used in this passage is the same word that is used in Romans 13:4, “He (government) beareth not the sword in vain.” In other words, Jesus told His disciples to carry the same-type weapon that government soldiers were carrying at the time.
After this exchange, Jesus and His disciples walked to the Garden of Gethsemane where the events of Peter and the sword took place.
Simon Peter had already told Jesus that he was willing to die for him (yes, Jesus rightly predicted his denial, knowing how Simon would react to the events that unfolded in the garden), and when the armed soldiers from the High Priest (tantamount to the President’s Secret Service officers today) came to arrest Jesus, Simon Peter drew his sword in defense of his Master. He intended to cut off the soldier’s head, but the man ducked, and Simon cleanly sliced off his ear.
Notice that Jesus did not rebuke or chastise Simon. Remember when He sternly told Simon, “Get thee behind me, Satan”? No such rebuke is found here. And notice, too, that He did not tell Simon to “GIVE UP thy sword.” He said “PUT UP again thy sword into his place,” meaning into its scabbard. He fully expected Simon to retain possession of his sword.
It is also noteworthy that as Jesus was being arrested, the power of His voice totally overwhelmed the soldiers, which caused all of them to sway backward and fall to the ground. (John 18:6) This accomplished a couple of things: it caused every soldier in that garden to fully understand that theirs was not the preeminent power present. It also allowed His eleven disciples to leave unscathed TAKING THEIR WEAPONS WITH THEM, as the soldiers were either totally distracted by the surprise of what had just happened to them, or they were totally disinterested in attempting to disarm the disciples after this incredible demonstration of power against them.
But as Jesus had come to this earth to give Himself a ransom for sinful men, which meant that His betrayal, arrest, and crucifixion were all a part of God’s sovereign plan for His only begotten Son, Simon’s armed defense of Christ was not necessary. Jesus calmly reminded Simon of the legions of angels that were available for His defense, should He call on them. Then Jesus gave Simon the assurance that “all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.”
And despite what you’ve heard so many preachers say regarding this verse, this was not a WARNING to Simon Peter; it was a PROMISE to Simon Peter.
What Jesus was doing was assuring Simon Peter that the tyrannical Roman and Jewish forces that were now using the sword against Him would one day themselves be destroyed by the sword, but that it would not be Simon’s sword that would be the one to do this. In other words, Jesus was stating a divine principle that tyrants and despots who unjustly rule with the power of the sword would one day be brought to the judgment of the sword.
Jesus’ statement had nothing to do with Christians disarming themselves in the face of tyrants; it had everything to do with God’s pronouncement of judgment upon tyrants who force their will on people by the power of the sword. He was saying, “Those who ruthlessly rule and govern by the sword will be brought to justice by the sword.” THAT is what Jesus said.
Did Jesus’ promise come true? You bet it did. A few years later, the Jewish nation was destroyed by the Roman sword; and a few years after that, the Roman nation was destroyed by the sword of the Goths, et al.
This promise to tyrants is repeated by the Apostle John in Revelation 13:10. Here Jesus inspired John to write, “He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.”
The context of Revelation 13:10 is unmistakable: those who put men into captivity by force shall themselves be put into captivity by force; those who kill with the sword shall themselves be killed with the sword. John then adds: “Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.” In other words, the victimized, terrorized saints can take comfort in the fact that God will send His judgment to the oppressors in the like manner in which they oppressed others.
What John said in Revelation 13:10 was a repeat of what He had heard Jesus say in Matthew 26:52. Jesus telling Peter to put up his sword has absolutely nothing to do with Christians willingly surrendering their arms to an oppressive government. Instead, it is a promise to oppressors that if you live and rule by the sword, you will die by the sword!
And since Jesus had commanded them to do so, we can assume that His disciples carried their own personal arms for the rest of their lives. Yes, yes, I realize that the disciples allowed themselves to be martyred for their faith. They CHOSE to not “accept deliverance,” (Hebrews 11:35) as did the famed missionary, Jim Elliott, who was armed at the time of his death, and, therefore, was fully capable of defending himself against the savages that attacked him, but CHOSE to not defend himself, and thereby accepted the martyr’s death. But these examples have nothing to do with the divine principle of lawful self-defense, which Jesus duly recognized in His instructions to His disciples.
Pray tell, how did Gideon deliver God’s people from their oppressors? By “the sword of the Lord and of Gideon.” How did Samson throw off the tyrants of his people? How did Barak and Jephthah defeat Israel’s enemies? By the sword! And note that each of these deliverers were commissioned and empowered by God to use the sword to destroy those tyrants that had ruled by the power of the sword. This was God’s promised judgment on oppressors for thousands of years before Jesus uttered this eternal truism in the Garden of Gethsemane.
The Second Amendment guarantee that “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” is as much a sacred right as it is an American right. The principle of armed self-defense is rooted in both Natural and Revealed Law. That Barack Obama and Dianne Feinstein want to strip the American people of this right should be met with the most vociferous resistance, and that includes FROM CHRISTIANS!
Yet, all across America, pastors and Christians seem to be willing to sheepishly surrender their Second Amendment rights. Some are no doubt sincere; they are only reacting as their Christian mentors and leaders have told them is right to do. Others are no doubt using Scripture as a covering for their own cowardice.
But for those Christians who seek truth and genuinely desire to know how they should respond to this current attack against our Second Amendment liberties, my son, Tim, and I are in the process of producing a brand new book entitled “To Keep Or Not To Keep: Why Christians Should Not Give Up Their Guns.” This book is designed to equip Christians with the scriptural tools and knowledge they will need to make wise decisions about the defense of their family. We are working hard to have this book ready for release by early spring.
Readers may pre-order this brand new book NOW and thus be assured of obtaining the very first copies of what is sure to be a blockbuster book. To order, go to: Keep Your Arms
And please remember that the book should be available by early spring.
I say once again: regardless of what laws are passed or not passed, I refuse to register or surrender my firearms–even if doing so makes me an outlaw. But as several readers pointed out to me: in such a scenario, I am not the outlaw; the ones who would try to disarm me are the outlaws. As I would not submit to a law that demanded that I surrender my spiritual sword (the Bible), neither will I submit to a law that demands that I surrender my physical sword (my firearms).
What Simon Peter told the Jewish leaders in Acts 5, after being ordered to surrender his preaching of truth, applies to any order of men that violates God’s eternal law–including the right of the people (including Christian people) to keep and bear arms: “We ought to obey God rather than men.” And so we ought!
http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/home/archives/5380
ANTI-CHRIST BYU IS A GUN FREE ZONE
Utah’s university students
have access to 3D printers. What happens if they print a gun?
SALT LAKE TRIBUNE -- 8-4-2018
Private campuses, like
Brigham Young University, have considerably more latitude to restrict students
from printing and possessing firearms. BYU, owned
and operated by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, prohibits
weapons of any kind.
“Our policy
states that firearms and weapons are not permitted, concealed or not concealed,
with or without a concealed weapon permit, while upon properties owned or
controlled by the University,” said BYU
spokeswoman Carri Jenkins.
Guns and Prohibition
Restrictive control of guns will work as well as
Prohibition, or outlawing drugs.
It will only make guns a more desirable commodity. Increased gun control will increase the black market gun trade…What we really need is a law banning murder.
Wait — we already have that. What makes us think that laws banning concealed weapons will protect us from those who are not law-abiding? Further gun control will only weaken citizens’ defenses against people determined to kill.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/56209399-82/gun-control-guns-banning.html.csp
It will only make guns a more desirable commodity. Increased gun control will increase the black market gun trade…What we really need is a law banning murder.
Wait — we already have that. What makes us think that laws banning concealed weapons will protect us from those who are not law-abiding? Further gun control will only weaken citizens’ defenses against people determined to kill.
D&C 134:11 “We believe that men should appeal to the civil law for Redress of ALLWrongs and Grievances, where personal abuse is inflicted or the Right ofProperty or Character Infringed, where such laws exist as will protect the same; but we believe that ALL men are justified in Defending Themselves, theirFriends, and Property …from the unlawful assaults and encroachments of all persons in times of exigency, where immediate appeal cannot be made to the laws, and relief afforded.”
D&C 134:2 "We believe that NO government can exist in peace, except such laws are framed and held inviolate as will
Secure to EACH Individual
1) the free exercise of conscience,
2) the Right and Control of Property,
3) and the Protection of life (GUNS)."
Secure to EACH Individual
1) the free exercise of conscience,
2) the Right and Control of Property,
3) and the Protection of life (GUNS)."
LDS BANNED GUNS ON CHURCH PROPERTY (FEEL SAFE?)
“No nation ever did nor ever can retain its liberty after the loss of the sword and the purse.”
-- Patrick Henry
Jesus Christ: "IF ye Love me, Keep my Commandments."
John 14:15
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Today's Church = Yesterday Church = History Repeats...
"Be Watchful, Stand Firm in the faith, Act Like Men, be Strong"
1 Corinthians 16:13
"There is One Principle which is Eternal; it is the Duty of all men to protect their lives and the lives of the household, whenever necessity requires, and No Power has the right to forbid it.
(Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 391.)
The Government Wanted to Kill Baby Jesus...
http://dcnewsman.blogspot.com/2012/01/economic-lessons-of-bethlehem.html
